Varg Vikernes (ThuleanPerspective) vs Vegan

It has been requested of me to respond to Varg Vikernes’ statements against veganism. Varg runs a relatively popular YouTube channel called ThuleanPerspective, which discusses European, survivalist, and related interests.

As a side note, Varg has also recently denounced my friend, The Golden One. Both of whom generally cater to the same general viewing demographic.

For the sake of keeping this brief for some of the attention spans out there, I will respond to two main arguments Varg has made, as well as the related sub-arguments.

I will link his specific videos in the description below, and all references will be linked over at my blog, which is also linked below.

Let’s get started!

> VARG’S VIDEO CLIP <

First off, you’re making an appeal to tradition fallacy, Varg.

I certainly don’t argue with the fact that we can consume and digest meat.

However, that proves nothing about whether we SHOULD or NEED to consume it.

It doesn’t change the fact that, for instance, the IARC and WHO have labeled red meats a probable Group 2A carcinogenic to humans, and cured or processed meats, like bacon, ham and sausages, a Group 1 carcinogenic to humans.

The consumption of the latter being comparable to poisons such as asbestos, alcohol, arsenic and tobacco.

The simple truth is, regardless of our history on this planet, we do NOT require animal products, at any stage of life, to survive or thrive. And, thus, not for brain health or development either.

And that statement was released by one of the world’s largest organization of food and nutrition professionals, which has been in operation since 1917. And that statement has undergone two major peer-review processes to date.

> VARG’S VIDEO CLIP <

First, yes, vegans need to supplement with B12, unless they consume ample amounts from fortified foods.

But, I want to personally add that EVERYONE should consider supplementing B12… vegan or not!

B12 deficiency is more common than previously believed. And NOT just among vegans… not even remotely!

According to the USDA, the ongoing Framingham Offspring Study has demonstrated that 39% of people have low-normal levels of B12, and are flirting with deficiency. Meanwhile, 16% of people fall BELOW the current minimum-acceptable level of 200 picogram per milliliter.

When you consider that vegans only make up 0.5% of the US population, you realize that AT LEAST 15.5% of the US population, who are NOT vegan, are well within B12 deficiency status. And that’s assuming that ALL vegans are deficient… which I am not, and I have been vegan since April 2013.

Thus, any blanket assumption along those lines would be incorrect.

Second, B12 is known as a “dirty vitamin”, as it is produced by bacteria in the small intestinal. However, that B12 is not available to us since we do not engage in the consumption of our feces.

And this isn’t just true of humans. Farm animals, such as sheep, cattle and goats, also produce B12 in their intestines. And deficiencies in soil can lead to B12 deficient livestock.

Thus, farmers inject Vitamin B12 into their livestock to treat and control Vitamin B12 deficiency.

So, consumers of these animal products very likely get some or all your B12 through this method of fortification of their food.

Unless, of course, you eat dirty vegetables covered in vitamin-rich soil, or you consume feces, or drink dirty ground water — which you had mentioned in your B12 video.

But, none of which are activities I’d imagine folks living in modern society engage in, or at least not the vast majority of us.

And this is regardless of what our ancestors may have done in ages past. Let’s not make appeals to tradition.

Interestingly, a doctor Stuart A. Seale, who is a board-certified family physician, has noted that the B12 found in animal food is NOT due to some superior characteristic of said food sources, but rather bacterial contamination OF said food. As all animals manufacture B12 in the same manner.

Doctor Seale believes that there’s a lot of misinformation about the necessity of eating animal foods to obtain Vitamin B12. And I agree!

Finally, vegan-friendly B12 products DO NOT contain animal ingredients. You are utterly wrong, Varg. Do your research before making such patently-false claims!

There are man-made forms of B12, like cyanocobalamin or methylcobalamin, the former of which is often used to rapidly combat serious deficiencies, like pernicious anemia, due to how effective it is.

And these man-made products are readily available on websites like Amazon.

Finally, to address one final statement you made in the description of your B12 video: “Good luck surviving without civilization, vegans. In NATURE you would die…”

Well, we DO live in civilization, so your argument is invalid.

Of course the rules would be different in a survival scenario.

Hell, people even resort to eating OTHER PEOPLE in extreme survival scenarios.

Hypotheticals are all good and fine, Varg… but, they are just that: hypotheticals. Not arguments.

Anyhow… let me know your thoughts in the comment below. Perhaps something I’ve missed.

I am sure Varg and/or his followers will eventually find this video, and inevitably comment. But, let’s keep it civilized and intellectual.

REFERENCES

ThuleanPerspective’s “About Vegans & Teeth” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfyxHpEZqWE

ThuleanPerspective’s “Vegans & B12” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5j1gA50QXE

IARC Monographs evaluate consumption of red meat and processed meat https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/pr/2015/pdfs/pr240_E.pdf

Processed meats rank alongside smoking as cancer causes – WHO https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/26/bacon-ham-sausages-processed-meats-cancer-risk-smoking-says-who

Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets https://www.eatrightpro.org/~/media/eatrightpro%20files/practice/position%20and%20practice%20papers/position%20papers/vegetarian-diet.ashx

cyanocobalamin (oral) | CS Mott Children’s Hospital | Michigan Medicine http://www.mottchildren.org/health-library/d00413a1

B12 Deficiency May Be More Widespread Than Thought : USDA ARS https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2000/b12-deficiency-may-be-more-widespread-than-thought/

Vitamin B12 synthesis by human small intestinal bacteria. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7354869

Stuart Seale | Professional Profile – LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuart-seale-9072559

DR. SEALE: “ANY B12 PRESENT IN ANIMAL FOODS IS ONLY BECAUSE OF BACTERIAL CONTAMINATION” https://freetheanimal.com/2010/09/dr-seale-any-b12-present-in-animal-foods-is-only-because-of-bacterial-contamination.html

Survivor of 1972 Andes Plane Crash Recalls How Victims Were Forced to Eat Friends’ Bodies in New Book I Had to Survive http://people.com/books/andes-flight-disaster-survivor-recalls-resorting-to-cannibalism-in-new-book/

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