Re: Scooby “Vegan Natty Muscle Gain Limit”

This is a deserved follow-up to my previous video to Scooby, which I will link below for your convenience.


Scooby just released a video presenting a challenge: for someone to provide him examples of vegan bodybuilders who have reached, or are within 20 pounds, of their natural limit.

He said he would be happy to change his tune about vegan bodybuilding, but requires a decent number of examples to do so.

And he specifically requested folks at 8% body fat.

However, I do need to correct him in one area before I begin: he claims in his video that the natural limit is an FFMI of 26, going by his provided charts.

I’d like to know how you officially arrived at that figure, Scooby, because the existing research on FFMI caps naturals at 25… not 26! And said paper used a sample size of 157 male athletes, including 20 Mr. America winners between the years of 1939 and 1959.

Thus, this video will be using that paper’s guidelines, or 25 as the FFMI limit for a natty… not 26.

Since I am all about the evidence-based approach, I don’t see any reason to go by more than 25.

Also understanding that not all folks, genetically, will even reach that limit. And that has nothing to do with being vegan or not, it’s just genetics.

I also want to preface by saying that I will be specifically using examples of vegan bodybuilders who compete as part of the Plant Built team. And I will be pulling their height and weight statistics from Plant Built’s official website. I will also only be using males… sorry ladies. This is because the FFMI research was based on males, and I want to keep this simple.

If you are interested in my theories on female FFMI and natty potential, check out my relatively-popular female fake natty video which is linked below in the description.

Now, let’s begin.

I will kick off with Richard Campbell, aka “The Vegan Rasta”. Richard built all of his muscle on a vegan diet. Plant Built claims he is 6 feet tall and 185-190 lbs. in contest condition. Going by his stage photos, I’d estimate his body fat percentage to be around 7%. This puts Richard around an FFMI of 24.01, which is only 0.99 points away from the 25 cap, or approx. 7-8 lbs. away from that limit… at 7% body fat.

Next, we move on to Arvid Beck. Plant Built claims he is 5 foot 9 and 169-176 lbs. in contest condition. Going by his stage photos, I’d estimate his body fat percentage to be around 7%. This puts Arvid around an FFMI of 24.22, which is only 0.78 points away from the 25 cap, or approx. 5-6 lbs. away from that limit… at 7% body fat.

Next, we move on to Derek Tresize. Plant Built claims he is 5 foot 11 and 190 lbs. in contest condition. Going by his stage photos, I’d estimate his body fat percentage to be around 7%. This puts Derek around an FFMI of 24.70, which is only 0.3 points away from the 25 cap, or approx. 2-3 lbs. away from that limit… at 7% body fat.

Next, we move onto Korin Sutton. Plant Built claims he is 5 foot 10 and 182 lbs. in current contest condition. Going by his stage photos, I’d estimate his body fat percentage to be around 7%. This puts Korin around an FFMI of 24.34, which is only 0.66 points away from the 25 cap, or approx. 5 lbs. away from that limit… at 7% body fat.

Finally, we move on to Torre Washington, aka “ThaVeganDread”. Torre has been vegan since 1999, and was also a vegetarian since birth if I am not mistaken. Plant Built claims he is 5 foot 7 and 160 lbs. in contest condition. Going by his stage photos, I’d estimate his body fat percentage to be around 7%. This puts Torre around an FFMI of 23.35, which is 1.65 points away from the 25 cap, or approx. 11-12 lbs. away from that limit… at 7% body fat. Torre is definitely the smallest of the examples I’ve provided, but he’s still within your 20 lb. guidelines by 8-9 lbs.

That’s 5 solid examples of lean, male vegan bodybuilders who are nearing their natural limits.

Had you asked for a Pro, I would have cited Barny du Plessis, who was the 2014 Mr Universe winner, who claims that a “meat-free diet gave him more energy and endurance in the gym than ever before.”

But, Barny is clearly not natural at his size and competition level.

It is also worth considering that at the end of the day, given that there are only an estimated 1 million vegans in America, as of 2008, and 542,000 vegans in Britain, as of 2016, vegans are clearly a small minority of the population.

Then, factor in that 80% of US adults don’t even get the BASIC daily recommended amount of exercise, according to the CDC… let alone vigorous weight training and dieting. So, vegans who actually lift would statistically be a tiny minority within a tiny minority. Basically, spot the fucking unicorn.

And of that tiny minority within a tiny minority who DO lift… what percentage actually care to compete? I certainly don’t, at least not in bodybuilding or physique. And I have no interest in dropping my body fat lower than 10-12%.

So, Scooby, just because you haven’t seen any examples yourself, or just because not many examples CURRENTLY exist… does NOT imply vegans are incapable of putting on mass effectively. That’s an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

I hope this video has provided you and others some perspective. And I’ve covered protein quality, hormones, and various other vegan-focused topics related to fitness and nutrition on this channel previously, if you are interested in perusing my videos. And I always back my claims with research. Because, fvck bro-science.

Vegans are athletically-capable of anything non-vegans are.

But, don’t just take it from me. Here’s the official, heavily peer-reviewed statement from the American Dietetic Association…

“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.”

At this point, I expect you to kindly concede, and make a public statement correcting your views.

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Thank you all for watching, and see you in the next video!

REFERENCES

Scooby’s video “Vegan Natty Muscle Gain Limit” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOvDMz1f1ss

My video “Exposing A Fake Natty Female Edition Feat. Dana Linn Bailey + Michelle Lewin!” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvFtbmuXjls

Fat-free mass index in users and nonusers of anabolic-androgenic steroids. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7496846

PlantBuilt.com – VEGAN MUSCLE https://www.plantbuilt.com/

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

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